Gold Prospecting problems in oregon

Gold Prospecting Problems – my thoughts…

Another updating Article and Video Interview with Rick and the BLM

I have been following this now and for sure agree with you Rick, you DO deserve your day in court (to be heard), its what 99% of human beings want (in regards to almost anything in life, just look at your close personal relationships) and I have contributed to the legal fund so I want you to know I AM ON YOUR SIDE on this. I want to make a point as well and take it for what its worth, in your interview with channel 12 you state categorically that its “a land grab” (like thats the truth in the matter) and Im going to invite you to try something……I invite you to call the BLM and say “This is Rick, I want to know what has you actually interpret or determine that we have no surface rights, I actually now am curious about that?” and then “And I also want to know what the intention is? Do you want me to file surface rights, do you want permit fees? do you want the land? what specifically are you out to accomplish? What is it that you think Im doing wrong and why?” (and get curious, rather than demand proof) I would venture to guess that the BLM wants to be heard as well…….and I think you are very calm, cool and collected given the circumstances, so I do applaud you. MANY people would not be as cool, I agree with the steps you are taking and that you deserve your day in court, but what if “you just heard what they really want….” perhaps court could be avoided? My food for thought this morning (by the way I am an expert (7 years of training in fact) in human interactions and communication, and it is really quite shocking the results that get produced when people “get heard”) When tempers are flaring, reactions are happening, points of view are trying to be proved (by both sides) then real communications and results are difficult at best….just see if you cant see that for yourself…..Whats the WORST thing that could happen if you did ask those question? (I also want you to know that by asking those questions you are NOT making them the (BLM) right….) and I also know your lawyer may not want you in communication….GOOD LUCK!

Oath Keepers Protecting Oregon Miner From BLM

Mr. Barclay said: The BLM I have a stop-work order. Im supposed to remove my possessions from this mine. Close up this mine and re-claim the surface and leave before I even get a hearing.

The Bureau of Land Management is in a land dispute with the owners of an Oregon gold mine.The BLM has issued a cease-and-desist order to Rick Barclay, the owner of the Sugar Pine Mine, to remove his equipment and buildings by April 25 without any official ruling by the courts. Mr. Barclay said:

The BLM claims that the mine has no surface rights to the area even though miners have been in continuous operation since the early 1870’s, which pre-dates the BLM bureaucracy by many decades. Barclay has the original location notice that he dates his claim to the mine from. Barclay has called on the Oath Keepers to protect his land and his Constitutional Rights from the BLM.

The Oath Keepers of Josephine County is present at the mine as a security precaution to ensure the mining claim owners 5th Amendment Constitutional Right to Due Process is not violated by the BLM. Barclay said that there is not a standoff with the Government. Oath Keepers Protecting Oregon Miner From BLM

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Heres a couple of up to date interviews and commentaries (thanks Karen)



The latest read about the gold mine standoff – Apr 21/15

Updates today for the Sugar Pine Gold Mine standoff, I think its smart to NOT go as far as Bundy did and just use the 1872 mining law to educate the BLM and other agencies it seems who are trying to bypass it. Let everyone be heard and allow the law (not tempers, opinions, stories, viewpoints etc) govern the outcome….Again I would like to see what you think?

Oregon miners call for peaceful protest against federal government after enlisting militia groups

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/oregon-miners-call-for-peaceful-protest-against-federal-government-after-enlisting-militia-groups/Owners of a gold mining claim in southern Oregon who enlisted armed activists to guard the mine amid a land dispute with the federal government plan a peaceful protest this week but want to avoid a standoff.

A co-owner of the Sugar Pine Mine, Rick Barclay, called in armed guards from the conservative Oath Keepers activist group after federal officials served him with a stop-work order last month for failing to comply with federal regulations.

Federal officials said in a letter to the owners they needed to file plans for the gold mining and equipment on the land or cease operations. The miners argue they have exclusive surface rights and do not have to follow federal regulations.

Mine spokesman Kerby Jackson said the miners were now calling for a “peaceful protest” at local Oregon Bureau of Land Management offices around Oregon on Thursday. Jackson said the owners were meeting with their attorney on Monday.

Oregon BLM spokesman Jim Whittington said that while the agency dealt with a lot of non-compliance issues on land, the branch had never encountered a response on this scale.

There are folks who are armed in the area and we’ve asked our employees to stay out of the area around the mine, just to be on the safe side, Whittington said.

Statements on the Oath Keepers website discourage any threats against government officials. Oregon miners call for peaceful protest against federal government after enlisting militia groups

Oath Keepers Will Help You Do Armed Standoff With Feds, Whether You Want It Or Not

http://wonkette.com/583095/oath-keepers-will-help-you-do-armed-standoff-with-feds-whether-you-want-it-or-notThere arent any cows this time, but theres a gold mine. Unfortunately, this time around, it looks like cooler heads may prevail, and wheres the fun (or long-overdue New American Revolution) in that? So, a brief overview of the situation or in militia terms, sitrep (its fun to play military!): The whole dispute has to do with the weird bifurcation between land ownership (surface rights) and a mining claim (mineral rights).

Oh goody, militia flakes and Oath Keepers are freaking out about the Bureau of Land Management doing tyranny all over an innocent landowner again, and they’re mobilizing Internet Commandos to load up the Suburban with guns and head to Oregon to defend a plucky Patriot from the Illegal Usurpations of an Out-of-Control Federal Government!! (All the exclamation points)! There aren’t any cows this time, but there’s a gold mine. Unfortunately, this time around, it looks like cooler heads may prevail, and where’s the fun (or long-overdue New American Revolution) in that?

So, a brief overview of the situation or in militia terms, sitrep (it’s fun to play military!): The whole dispute has to do with the weird bifurcation between land ownership (surface rights) and a mining claim (mineral rights). There’s these two guys, Rick Barclay and George Backes, who own the mineral rights to a parcel of land in rural southwest Oregon, and they’ve been operating a small gold mining operation on it, arguing that since their mining claim dates back to before a 1955 law that changed how mining claims work, they also have surface rights to the land where the mine is located. The BLM, however, says that the surface rights belong to the federal government, having been ceded to the BLM in 1961 (and yes, mineral rights disputes are every bit as fascinating as fights over water rights). The BLM sent a letter to the mine’s co-owners in March asserting federal ownership of the surface rights. Oath Keepers Will Help You Do Armed Standoff With Feds, Whether You Want It Or Not | Wonkette

Owner of mining claim urges armed supporters to stand down

Gold mining problems in oregonGRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) — A man who owns a gold-mining claim on federal land in southwestern Oregon asked for help defending it after U.S. authorities ordered him to stop work, but he is now telling his armed supporters to back off.

Rick Barclay said Thursday that he hoped to prevent his fight with federal regulators from turning into the kind of high-profile standoff at a Nevada ranch last year.

A total of eight people, two of them armed with pistols, could be seen at two staging areas outside Grants Pass. They refused to answer questions.

Now, Barclay is telling his supporters that the mine is not under attack, posts online by “keyboard warriors” have gotten out of hand and he was not interested in a repeat of the Cliven Bundy ranch standoff. Owner of mining claim urges armed supporters to stand down – journalreview.com: News

Protesters defend gold miners in government dispute

http://www.ktvz.com/news/s-oregon-protesters-defend-gold-miners-in-government-dispute/32380862Protesters defend gold miners in government dispute | News – Home GRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) Some local constitutional activists have gathered in southern Oregon to support gold miners in a dispute with the federal government.

The Grants Pass Daily Courier reports about a dozen people, some dressed in military gear and carrying guns, were milling about a rural property outside Grants Pass on Monday.

U.S. Bureau of Land Management spokesman Jim Whittington says the agency stumbled on the claim late last year, and sent the claim holders letters ordering them to stop operations until they filed the necessary paperwork.

Militia groups flock to Oregon for Bundy-style standoff with government jackboots over gold mining claim

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/militia-groups-flock-to-oregon-for-bundy-style-standoff-with-government-jackboots-over-gold-mining-claim/ Militia groups flock to Oregon for Bundy-style standoff with government jackboots over gold mining claim Militia groups are gathering in southern Oregon to back gold miners embroiled in a Bundy-style dispute with the Bureau of Land Management.

Federal authorities said they had notified the miners earlier this month that they were out of compliance with BLM regulations and ordered them and their equipment off the land by April 25.

The owners of the Sugar Pine Mining Claim reached out to the Oath Keepers of Josephine County for help, and the pro-gun group issued a nationwide call for assistance that was picked up by websites such as Infowars and Before It’s News.

Galice Mining District BLM Battle Could Be Next Bundy Ranch Oath Keepers Called For Help

http://www.inquisitr.com/2009057/galice-mining-district-blm-battle-could-be-next-bundy-ranch-oath-keepers-called-for-help/Galice Mining District BLM Battle Could Be Next Bundy Ranch Oath Keepers Called For Help The Galice Mining District is one of the longest running mining operations, it opened in the early 1870s. The district is located about 30 miles west of Grants Pass, Oregon. The region is reportedly compiled of a multitude of claims, owners, and miners. The Galice Mining District is many decades older than the BLM federal agency.

The mining area at the center of the BLM dispute has reportedly produced in more than 10 million ounces of gold since panning for the color began. Geologists estimate that only about 10 percent of the gold which exists in the Galice Creek area has been removed, making access to the Galice Mining District extremely desirable.

The BLM has reportedly made several attempts to halt gold mining operations in the Oregon region via violation notices claiming the improper filing of paperwork, ruling changes, and other operational technicalities. Galice Creek miners have reportedly spend tens of thousands of dollars to fight the BLM rulings pertaining to the Galice Mining District. Requests by miners that the Bureau of Land Management produce “official rulings” detailing why they are in violation of specific rules have allegedly gone unanswered. The response BLM had given to miners is “because they say so,” maintain the Galice Mining District miners who continue to fight the federal government on the matter.

 

 

  • gino says:

    Can you say BLM is paid off by big mining? Pretty obvious

  • BuenSomeritano says:

    Hello. My name is Cary. I am a prospector too. The moratorium has effected my livelihood as well. However, I would like to point some things out. As a prospector, one of things I love most about the job is being close to nature I love. On days when I find not much, just being out there makes it worthwhile. I think we can all agree with that. I try not to do any damage if I can help it. I try to leave no trace at every chance. I was a wildlife biology student in college. I do know that the trout and salmon lay their eggs in the gravels of these rivers and dredging does indeed destroy them and this does indeed have an impact. This is an undeniable fact. I value and NEED my right to prospect and am a strong supporter of the USC, but I do not feel right doing it at that expense. None of us should. So, I am working on a system to access and process alluvial deposits without leaving any evidence of prospecting. No tailing piles….no turbid waters…no pits….no mercury….no cyanide….no sprawling heavy equipment sites…no petroleum fuels…..and most importantly to this situation, the fishes’ eggs are left untouched. I need support in this endeavor. I think it may be the answer to this dilemma. The system can be built relatively inexpensively. It actually reduces the physical labor load and cost overhead of prospecting. Whether it is funding, materials, and/or simply a claim I can test the system on, any help is appreciated and much needed. I am arriving in Oregon Oct 15 of 2016 to begin working on this in earnest. If you or anyone you know might be interested in offering any support, please email me at BuenSomeritano at gmail. Best wishes. ~ Cary

  • Karl says:

    This is so depressing. Our family has been prospecting for years and this is really affecting us. This has been a big source of income as well. On a personal note, we had just bought our grandchildren panning kits and metal detectors from Gold Rush Trading Post for their birthdays and we haven’t been able to take them out because of all this nonsense. When will corporations and movements stop using each other to fulfill their agendas and just let people live?!

    • Mlgdave says:

      yea for whatever reason, hunting, fishing, 4 wheeling, and other outdoor hobbies seem to be OK, yet the very thing this country was founded on isn’t. Glad we have larger groups, forums, magazines and clubs who continue to legitimize this hobby of ours

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